Can Dosing with Psilocybin Mushrooms Treat Depression?
May is mental health month, and we’re talking about treatments for depression. Today, we’re looking at the evidence for using psilocybin mushrooms to treat depression. There’s lots of studies to look at, so here we goooo!
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Oh boi, press F to all those brave volunteers who made it through MRI while on mushrooms! O7
I found the benefits of psychedelics to be kinda short lasting, tbh. The perspective shifts were profound at the time, but wore off fairly quickly. In contrast, I found the benefits of intense meditation (Vipassana) to be MUCH longer lasting. It's been over 10 years since I practiced Vipassana regularly, but the techniques and perspectives I developed from learning it are still very helpful today. They've helped a lot with mental wellbeing over the years
Don't know about treating anything with psilocybin. My close relative got into a long psychotic episode after using them. Three years down the line he is still on antipsychotics and antidepressants. He was trying self medicate depression with mushrooms, all he got was psychosis to go with his depression.
Definitely needs more research. Seems to me the studies mentioned here are approaching Psilocybin as a chemical treatment for a chemical disorder. That strikes me as almost certain to get poor results. Whether we're talking depression, anxiety, CPTSD or PTSD, other work through a therapist would be important. Psilocybin is not likely to correct a mental health problem chemically but it could have significant results in conjunction with other kinds of cognitive therapies. Psilocybin may provide some temporary chemical modifications to the brain that eases suffering but you'd expect the effects to be temporary. Psilocybin could open the door to better mental health but it can't walk you through it.
As a proud mushroom enthusiast, YES. WITHOUT QUESTION YES. When I can find mushrooms I am not just happy when I take them, they can greatly improve my mood for actual months at a time from only a single dose, non-micro of course. 2-3.5 grams can greatly help if not cure depression
highly recommend michael pollan's book "how to change your mind" to anyone who wants to know more! there is much much more to know about this topic and pollan does an incredible job.
3:39 hold on, your report of the 2021 trial's "negative results" feels lacking. While the conclusion section of the trial states there was not statistically significant difference BETWEEN the psilocybin and escitalopram group when strictly looking at depression score reduction, BOTH groups still saw a decrease in their QIDS-SR-16 scores compared to baseline:
"The mean scores on the QIDS-SR-16 at baseline were 14.5 in the psilocybin group and 16.4 in the escitalopram group. The mean (±SE) changes in the scores from baseline to week 6 were −8.0±1.0 points in the psilocybin group and −6.0±1.0 in the escitalopram group… A QIDS-SR-16 response occurred in 70% of the patients in the psilocybin group and in 48% of those in the escitalopram group…QIDS-SR-16 remission occurred in 57% and 28%, respectively… Other secondary outcomes generally favored psilocybin over escitalopram, but the analyses were not corrected for multiple comparisons. The incidence of adverse events was similar in the trial groups."
To reiterate, the response rate in the psilocybin group was over 2/3 while escitalopram was just under half*, plus remission in over *half of psilocybin group vs just over a quarter of escitalopram.
I feel that's saying a lot for an intervention administered once every 3 weeks to be comparable to a pill taken daily.
I wonder if there is good research on adaptogenic mushrooms and herbs, these are legal and likely easier to get approval for Research studies e.g. reishi, chaga, lions Mmane, cordyceps
I think that psilocybin will help people who suffer from depressed mood or a lack of emotion as it amplifies emotional response. Sadness and despair may be improved through feelings of unity and oneness but I don't think it will improve negative emotions otherwise.
Absolutely love Healthcare triage. About as non-biased as you can get and he looks at tons of different studies so you don't have to.
I took mushrooms and they made me anticapitalist. Being anticapitalist cured my depression and gave me purpose in life.
So I give mushrooms an 8/10
The trial that has no significance mentioned at 4:02 was testing for difference between psicobylin 25 mg alone in two doses vs psicobylin 1 mg in two doses with escitalopram in between. No significance doesn’t mean the drug didn’t work, it may just have meant that the dosage is still no determined. I’m unsure why they added the escotalopram on the other group though as it would’ve been better to have it as a third separate group for control, although that would’ve been a phase 3 trial 🤔
I have bipolar 2, adhd, autism and anxiety and I did shrooms once. Had to do 4mg to feel anything and then took another 2mg later as it worked its way out of my system. My depression often manifests as not being satisfied or enjoying anything and needing to constantly bounce between activities to get any sort of stimulation… being on mushrooms made me satisfied with just very little. Honestly, I think there's some use for mushrooms in some people. Idk about microdosing but from my personal experience I think it would help me.
I weigh 280Lbs or 127Kg, I took 2.7 grams of Psilocybin Cubensis and had a 3 hr strong introspective experience. Afterwards I can say that my Suicidal Ideation is no longer a symptom I live with 🙂 , This is not the result of some single moment during my experience but is just something I noticed about myself. Depression down 50% Anxiety raised 30%. Although my experience mildly increased my anxiety I believe this to be a symptom of something disturbing I realized about myself that I wrestled with during the come down. I think I’m eventually going back to veganism which I abandoned last month because I was somewhat homeless but had access to fast food through EBT. I would rate Psilocybin as a 8/10. It helped and I’m a healthier person.
Love this. Would like a companion video about psilocybin's potential for other mental health diagnoses. I've heard (anecdotally but also from clinicians) it has far more potential for treatment for PTSD and addiction than it has for stuff like depression and bipolar. As someone who did psychedelic psychotherapy at a ketamine clinic, this kinda makes sense to me but I'm curious if there's data to support it.
Speaking of virus, this episode reeks of drug war propaganda. Get over it. The people won the drug war. The only thing the drug war did was made drugs more available less expensive and more potent.
Mushrooms are cool, but don't take them with high strung and annoying people like my uncle. Be with someone who's relaxed who you get along with or be alone and be in nature on a nice day. If you're around a lot of Karens who might be looking at and/or judging you you might be inclined towards paranoia. You don't see anything that's not there, so don't be expecting elves or dragons and crap like in the movies.
It's becoming fairly clear, little by little, that psilocybin can be used to treat depression at least in some people. It's just not clear yet how well, how lasting the effects, how safely (for the wide array of patients with depression and co-morbid mental illnesses.)
We should have known this fifty years earlier. Thanks to Nixon's drug laws, we couldn't. How many people suffered from severe depression or are gone because of suicide as a result of his shallow thinking?
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That's strange that's considered a high dose when street use 3.5 grams is standard dose
sure
A classmate of my in my Psych masters was doing this for her thesis. She sadly didn't find anything in her study, but she really hopes it can help ^€^
You've misread the results of that trial. Psilocybin kicked escitalopram's ass.
Great video info, love the content. Hope topics like this will be more discussed. Psychedelics are great..!
The real reason and let's be honest is because Pfizer and other pharmaceuticals can't make money if you are microdosing something you can buy at a lower cost or grow in your house. The pharmaceutical companies will do everything in their power to stop this.
Guys long story short it works I’m living proof
Psilocybin containing mushrooms saved my life. The drastically reduced my benzodiazepine withdrawal allowing me to quite illicit pill addiction after three years of heavy daily use before it would had became medically dangerous to quit. It has also helped me survive depression.
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Psilocybin mushrooms and psychedelics generally are very beneficial substances and can really help people with mental health issues.
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It’s quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
I am feeling the same way also I put too much on my plate and it definitely affect my stress and anxiety levels.
The trips I've been having really helped me a lot. I finally feel in control of my emotions and my future things that used to be mundane to me now seem Incredible. Thanks to Peter.colemannn, he really was of great help.**
what a shocker, the "science" says that big-pharma SSRI/SNRIs are better. you pronounced escitalopram wrong also.
Hard to be sad when youre laughing!
Microdosing psiIocybin mushroom 🍄 has put depression, insomnia, PTSD,ADHD and anxiety into remission. Psilocybin mushrooms, commonIy known as magic mushrooms, are a poIyphyletic informal group of fungi that contain psilocybin which turns into psilocin upon ingestion. Biological genera containing psiIocybin mushrooms include CopeIandia, Gymnopilus, lnocybe, PanaeoIus, PhoIiotina, Pluteus, and Psilocybe.
Can it help peoplewith BPD ?
Anecdotal I suppose, but, my partner was severely depressed and suicidal and psilocybin treatment at a clinic saved his life and gave him a positive outlook on life
I've been reading about psilocybin mushrooms and their potential for treating mental health disorders. Has anyone tried it ?
Psychedelic are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It is quite fascinating how effective they’re against depression and anxiety.