The concept of only giving people what they deserve can make a turn for the worst so quickly. Forget about deserving and think about needing. Just make sure to put societies needs above any individual and you're practicing true compassion. You can still jail dangerous people or defend yourself.
Note that this only works if you're a fundamentally normal and intelligent person. Normal people who are on hard times can really benefit from people helping them get on their feet.
But it won't work on everyone. There is a certain % who are just users. They'll just exploit any compassion or resources people give them until those people get burnt out.
The problem is that everyone only sees one side. So they might look at this study, and set up a system that is unconditionally supportive with no preconditions. Which gets exploited by the toxic %.
Then someone else goes the other way and puts up these stringent preconditions, which hurts the normal people who really would benefit from some slack, and wouldn't abuse people's faith.
We need a culture that knows how to separate out the people who can't be helped from the ones who can. Otherwise you'll end up with 5% of people causing 95% of the problems and damages in programs like these, then making the programs fail for everyone.
We really do need to put housing support ahead of punitive efforts in the USA. I was ironically living out of my car once (a straight-edge guy with a job; yet family kicked me out over THEIR OD scare) and got a taste of how poorly we provide for the homeless. Just as many higher career paths are built on social networking, elevating the bottom of society will only happen when building a good housing and support network first. If you want to avoid people engaging in antisocial behaviors, the answer is to provide pathways to integrate back into society, not to isolate and punish for falling out of the loop.
For me it is really hard to work on my complex ptsd( though I am not sure I have it or not. But I have most of those symptoms along with maladaptive daydreaming)living with my dysfunctional family. I have always told myself that I just make excuses . But if I get up early morning and do workout my mother comes and says ," Next day you'll get back to your old routine; how much time you need to exercise? It's already 30 mins. " Or interrupting during meditation even at 4 a.m. . Or if I take pomodoro breaks she says," you can't sit for long hours. You always pace". My whole family screams suddenly which make me scared. Even writing these making me feels like I am playing victim and want to procrastinate more.
We can absolutely afford taking care of everyone's needs, but the assets are bought up by rich people that'll maximize profits with them, and homeless people won't pay the highest rent for those houses and so they won't get it.
There is clear necessity for socialised assets in the realm of basic human necessities, since privatising them is extremely harmful to vulnerable people.
According to one Davis X. Machina, "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."
Moralizers don't care about results. They are spiteful, and they will sacrifice everything to fulfill their spite. No amount of data to the contrary will every convince them.
This is what I've been saying since I realized some people are not living like I was, in a house. I was a teenager then, and heard about hobo's or people who chose to live like that. When I learned being homeless wasn't the choice people were talking about. Meeting a few of these people told me a different story. What do we do now when corperations that own most of the housing units are gaming the system to gouge people for money. I think ar one point having a home with utilities was supposed to cost 25% of what you made. Now it's well over half and you still have to eat and pay for transportation to and frim work.
I live in Ukraine. We have nominal GDP per capita 16 times less than the USA and PPP GDP per capita 6 times less than the USA. For those, who are not familiar with all those letters: we are much poorer. At the same time the rate of homelessness is 4 times lower than in the USA. And we have a war, millions of people were displaced. The USA has no war or displaced people.
I always wondered how do you get so much homeless people in a rich country. It makes no sense. It's an atrociously bad governing and resource allocation. We don't even have that much programs for homeless as the USA has. The whole lifestyle of the community is built the way that generates less homeless people. I live in a big city. I saw homeless people, but they are few. It's very rare to see even one on the street or in the city centre. I've read, that in some cities in the USA there are streets lined with homeless people or like spaces, where they camp in the tents and it's not just 2-3 tents, it's a lot.
I think that one of the solutions to the homelessness problem is having strong familial and community ties in the society. I had hard times in life, but I always knew I have at least 4 apartments, when I'd be welcome at any time and in any state. I wouldn't want to live with relatives, it's inconvenient, but between living with relatives and being homeless, it's better to live with relatives. And at that I don't count distant relatives and friends, only people, who would allow me to live with them indefinitely with no conditions. I know, that I'm blessed, but it's very common situation in my community, I'm not an exception.
Nooo they're Gana ruin the free housing if they aren't clean yet! Bruh for people who won't shut up about freedom y'all are real whiny about letting people fail
As a house builder I can confirm that everyone deserves a home despite their background or what’s going on in their life currently as a home is an inelastic need that always has to be met in order for them to feel like they have some control in their lives. HOUSING FOR EVERYONE AND IT SHOULD BE FREE!
Addictions are beaten when the source of the trauma is found and you find contempt, fear on the other hand gives you ptsd which re traumatizes you, which gives you more reason to numb or escape pain.
Dr k says its not possible for good mental health without having material needs met but he also says intrinsic motivation comes internally rather than externally. Idk whats even real anymore
We have housing first. It's called prison. I kid though the best treatment programs involve helping with addiction while keeping people off the streets. You can do both but so long as you keep it on the streets you are hurting society which will churn out more troubled individuals. It's not about empathy, it's about having a solution that is benefitial to the functioning of the individual and society as a whole.
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It's like capitalism isn't good for our mental health.
The concept of only giving people what they deserve can make a turn for the worst so quickly. Forget about deserving and think about needing. Just make sure to put societies needs above any individual and you're practicing true compassion. You can still jail dangerous people or defend yourself.
So much stigma around addiction and drug use…
Note that this only works if you're a fundamentally normal and intelligent person. Normal people who are on hard times can really benefit from people helping them get on their feet.
But it won't work on everyone. There is a certain % who are just users. They'll just exploit any compassion or resources people give them until those people get burnt out.
The problem is that everyone only sees one side. So they might look at this study, and set up a system that is unconditionally supportive with no preconditions. Which gets exploited by the toxic %.
Then someone else goes the other way and puts up these stringent preconditions, which hurts the normal people who really would benefit from some slack, and wouldn't abuse people's faith.
We need a culture that knows how to separate out the people who can't be helped from the ones who can. Otherwise you'll end up with 5% of people causing 95% of the problems and damages in programs like these, then making the programs fail for everyone.
We really do need to put housing support ahead of punitive efforts in the USA. I was ironically living out of my car once (a straight-edge guy with a job; yet family kicked me out over THEIR OD scare) and got a taste of how poorly we provide for the homeless. Just as many higher career paths are built on social networking, elevating the bottom of society will only happen when building a good housing and support network first. If you want to avoid people engaging in antisocial behaviors, the answer is to provide pathways to integrate back into society, not to isolate and punish for falling out of the loop.
There was also a lot of issues with that housing becoming drug dens so there's a lot more nuance than what you are presenting.
gabor mate taught me that addiction is about escaping emo/mental/phys pain.
Thank you for saying this!!!
For me it is really hard to work on my complex ptsd( though I am not sure I have it or not. But I have most of those symptoms along with maladaptive daydreaming)living with my dysfunctional family. I have always told myself that I just make excuses . But if I get up early morning and do workout my mother comes and says ," Next day you'll get back to your old routine; how much time you need to exercise? It's already 30 mins. " Or interrupting during meditation even at 4 a.m. . Or if I take pomodoro breaks she says," you can't sit for long hours. You always pace". My whole family screams suddenly which make me scared. Even writing these making me feels like I am playing victim and want to procrastinate more.
We can absolutely afford taking care of everyone's needs, but the assets are bought up by rich people that'll maximize profits with them, and homeless people won't pay the highest rent for those houses and so they won't get it.
There is clear necessity for socialised assets in the realm of basic human necessities, since privatising them is extremely harmful to vulnerable people.
Makes sense
According to one Davis X. Machina, "The salient fact of American politics is that there are fifty to seventy million voters each of whom will volunteer to live, with his family, in a cardboard box under an overpass, and cook sparrows on an old curtain rod, if someone would only guarantee that the black, gay, Hispanic, liberal, whatever, in the next box over doesn’t even have a curtain rod, or a sparrow to put on it."
Moralizers don't care about results. They are spiteful, and they will sacrifice everything to fulfill their spite. No amount of data to the contrary will every convince them.
Yes!!! Housing first is so necessary.
For TVP/TZM/RBE supporters, this is all pretty obvious. Of course, if you supply people’s basic needs, they WILL inevitably get better!
Finland did this aswell, it‘s great!
This is what I've been saying since I realized some people are not living like I was, in a house. I was a teenager then, and heard about hobo's or people who chose to live like that. When I learned being homeless wasn't the choice people were talking about. Meeting a few of these people told me a different story. What do we do now when corperations that own most of the housing units are gaming the system to gouge people for money. I think ar one point having a home with utilities was supposed to cost 25% of what you made. Now it's well over half and you still have to eat and pay for transportation to and frim work.
I live in Ukraine. We have nominal GDP per capita 16 times less than the USA and PPP GDP per capita 6 times less than the USA. For those, who are not familiar with all those letters: we are much poorer.
At the same time the rate of homelessness is 4 times lower than in the USA. And we have a war, millions of people were displaced. The USA has no war or displaced people.
I always wondered how do you get so much homeless people in a rich country. It makes no sense. It's an atrociously bad governing and resource allocation. We don't even have that much programs for homeless as the USA has. The whole lifestyle of the community is built the way that generates less homeless people.
I live in a big city. I saw homeless people, but they are few. It's very rare to see even one on the street or in the city centre. I've read, that in some cities in the USA there are streets lined with homeless people or like spaces, where they camp in the tents and it's not just 2-3 tents, it's a lot.
I think that one of the solutions to the homelessness problem is having strong familial and community ties in the society.
I had hard times in life, but I always knew I have at least 4 apartments, when I'd be welcome at any time and in any state. I wouldn't want to live with relatives, it's inconvenient, but between living with relatives and being homeless, it's better to live with relatives. And at that I don't count distant relatives and friends, only people, who would allow me to live with them indefinitely with no conditions. I know, that I'm blessed, but it's very common situation in my community, I'm not an exception.
Nooo they're Gana ruin the free housing if they aren't clean yet!
Bruh for people who won't shut up about freedom y'all are real whiny about letting people fail
As a house builder I can confirm that everyone deserves a home despite their background or what’s going on in their life currently as a home is an inelastic need that always has to be met in order for them to feel like they have some control in their lives. HOUSING FOR EVERYONE AND IT SHOULD BE FREE!
Addictions are beaten when the source of the trauma is found and you find contempt, fear on the other hand gives you ptsd which re traumatizes you, which gives you more reason to numb or escape pain.
Dr k says its not possible for good mental health without having material needs met but he also says intrinsic motivation comes internally rather than externally. Idk whats even real anymore
When I was young I was real anal about the idea of a homeless person using money I gave them to get high.
What made me change was realizing, if I had to be homeless I probably wouldn't wanna do that shit sober either.
homeless are not listening to this short 🙂
We have housing first. It's called prison.
I kid though the best treatment programs involve helping with addiction while keeping people off the streets. You can do both but so long as you keep it on the streets you are hurting society which will churn out more troubled individuals. It's not about empathy, it's about having a solution that is benefitial to the functioning of the individual and society as a whole.
Give people housing first and do the drug and career tests a few months in as a requirement to keep the housing.