What it takes for a patient to be committed involuntarily
What it takes for a patient to be committed involuntarily
In the past decade, less than 7% of patients who’ve been placed under a forced mental health hold in the Multnomah County have qualitied for civil commitment.
@Bdlsbkebs Kolko ti e "visoko" QI-to se vijda ot negramotnoto ti pisane, ha, ha, ha !!! Prav si che sajalyavash, da si prost i negramoten nikak ne e lesno !!
What it SHOULD take to be involuntarily committed: 1. Taking a shit on the street in front of total strangers. 2. Screaming at the top of your lungs for half an hour while swinging your fists at thin air all around you 3. Beating up a complete stranger. 4. Smashing someone else's property for no reason. 5. Stripping naked and walking down the MAX tracks, in broad daylight. I've seen ALL of these (some multiple times) in Portland in the last year.
Society has a duty to people with severe mental illness to take care of them. The overlooked fact is that most of the time they cannot make informed decisions so they should not be making decisions that put them at risk or endanger others. They simply do not understand the risks or benefits of potential outcomes, and may have limited grasp of reality. They absolutely need to be placed in protective, welk run
sorry, well run facilities instead of being left to their own devices where they suffer, cause serious problems, and die. There is a time and a place for supervised and enforced placement when the person cannot function safely. So many of the homeless are in this category, and it is not a kindness to call it "freedom" and allow it to occur.
Been mentally I’ll for a very long time and suicidal longer those hospitals are not helpful the clinics don’t help wards are the worst thing ever and we are mentally ill not animals to lock up and hide from society and society needs a reality check cause there more mental then most of us and bipolar isn’t that serious just dramatic and boarderline personality disorder is just like bipolar except mood swings change hourly compared to days weeks or longer for bipolar and yeah that sucks not be up or down that long but try you dunno what mood your gonna be in could be happiest you ever have been and someone says something that effected you and having to watch as your entire mood slowly gets ruined and your sad now and you can’t get happy again and probably won’t feel joy for a while as your emotions swirl and your stuck inside your own head questioning yourself and how others might feel your just a downer during a fun time but you couldn’t help that could been anger and ya started hurting peoples feelings out of rage or any other emotion but mainly getting your day and self ruined over something that shouldn’t bother you but totally brings you down into a awkward feeling moment when you was feeling some way else
Before the Advent of psychiatric drugs the State Mental Hospitals were actually built for the protection of the mentally ill from the general public or their own families. The facilities were meant as truly charitable, humane environments for them. There was no psychiatry or psychology to dehumanize and degrade them. Originally in the USA it was the Quakers who first began taking them into their homes and received something like interfaith charity to help take care of them. Spiritual and Religious counseling was offered to them. Most were non-violent. The increase of it today is being caused by Anti-Psychotic drugs themselves in people receiving maintenance therapy from them. Like all drugs, if you are not experiencing the symptoms of the illness that the drug you are taking is supposedly treating, it can cause the same but "Super-Imposed Symptoms", in this case "Psychosis". In American history, when the Quaker program was doing well, then politics barged in with rules, regulations, etc… and it became demanded of them that they also take in alcoholics and drug addicts, who destroyed the program for the mentally ill. The Quakers were beaten and defeated, they saved themselves by abandoning the program. Today State abuse is obvious and Spiritual Centers and Religious Orders have complied with the God condemned State programs instituted starting in 1962 to withhold all compassion or acts of kindness from the mentally ill in order to harass them to accept drug treatment. Today when they become homeless, they are denied much of what other non-mentally ill receive. This is a fact cited in the Federal Government's mental health bill of rights despite how States deny it or try to make it look. It is cheaper to let them die of exposure than commit them to a hospital. These are not new tactics. Protestant Nazi nurses were among the first in Germany, even before lethal injection, to bring unwanted babies and infants outside and keep them out without warm clothing, so that they would die quickly at the hospital, and would appear to have died from an illness on their death certificate. No category of people were safe, however, as the Nolle Proverb tells us eventually people from all walks of life were affected by Nazi Eugenics.
The psych wards of the past ruined forced commitment for us today. It's not fair to the person suffering or those who are damaged by their behavior. My stepson is on the streets right now in lebanon tennessee. As cold as it is. He refuses treatment, shelters, any treatment. His aggressive, violent, paranoid behavior has steadily gotten worse. None of his old friends want to be around him. His family is worried he'll attack them. He broke his grandpa's nose last year. He's threatened his mother and myself. Now he thinks we went to the courts and got custody of his baby which doesn't exist. It's bullshit that he needs forced help and won't get it until he hurts or kills someone. Our system needs a drastic change!
There are plenty of people begging for help that are turned away and tons of people forced into commitment that don't need it. If someone asks for help it falls on deaf ears, if someone is wealthy and has the ability to help themselves they will most definitely be forced into commitment, if someone is in extreme need of help they will not receive any. This like any other medical care boils down to money.
I didnt have a strong opinion against forced mental health until I was wrongly diagnosed and was forced to take antipsychotics for doing spiritual healings. I learned how mean and abusive people can be in psych wards. I learned that information written about patients is often inaccurate. I learned patients voices are often silenced in the psych system. This video doesnt interview the many people choosing not to get help because medications gave them uncomfortable side effects. It doesnt interview people who were mistreated in the psych system. It does at least mention someone saying she does not support forced medication for her son. It does at least mention that housings is important for health and wellbeing. Hopefully people watching this realize that it takes more than a pill to fix homelessness. Forcibly drugging people is a human rights issue and it can cause a lot of harm. Data should be taken on effectiveness of forced drugging and patients should be believed. I am curious what percent of people have the success storu portrayed in this video.
I can tell this lady has never been in mental hospital. I used to work in one. people are treated more like animals in there than they are on the streets.
I placed a former friend under a 5150 and regret nothing. I have ptsd now because he violently attacked me for nothing but delusional thoughts. I could have just thrown him in jail. I'm sorry your sick, but the safety of society is more important that your freedom. It's not fair that all of us decent, hardworking, law abiding people should live in fear because your sick.
This is a form of abuse… Fortunately, I am okay, but I am socially liberal and I feel terrible for these people…
Dignity and the sense of ownership over one’s body run deeper than judgment or logic. They are parts of the essence of human existence. Respecting an individual's will not to violate their self-determination is, in itself, a second, fundamental will, which is always true and of primary importance, regardless of the content or "logic" of the first will. This second will is never disturbed by low DMC because it is universal. Moreover, involuntary commitment is the cause of many deaths among people who wanted treatment but were afraid because, like many others, they placed the ownership of their body (self-determination) above their own survival. It also leads to suicides, not due to illness, but because of the trauma of dehumanization (the violation of self-determination).
This is a form of selective denial of the right to treatment based on one’s beliefs.
There is no justification for these actions, not even for saving lives. (It’s like torturing and stealing kidneys to save others… because statistically, you are certain to sacrifice some people… by abusing them).
Those of you who have gone through this should know that you are victims of a paternalistic medieval remnant, and your freedom is inherent; it was simply not respected by these animals with degrees… This does not diminish you, but rather the lawful criminals who did this to you.
You have many citizens, philosophers, the UN, and the CRPD on your side. (Kant, Camus, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and many others would undoubtedly stand with you).
None of the animals who did this to you are capable of diminishing the value you have as human beings.
Ha doc I don't know if I have had this conversation with you but what about those payments for the service a good deal aren't they ha if I ever need something I can depend on you right you know the money will be there we got a deal right
Ha doc I remember I could rely on you I need some Xanax and glachome marijuana you can trust me we just have to decide on the time and place the delivery will happen
I was involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness a lot of times I subliminally thought there was a your a nut and could lose it at any moment law when they were doing it for medicaid payments and health insurance payments the ambulance and the fire department is how it runs to the police and on and on is how the doctor wins an election and the government gives out social security for the doctors medicaid payments
I asked for involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness and got this these people have real mental illness I used social security I even had a off the books construction laborer job
Why is the answer always, put them on dope so they can anesthetize the person into a zombie. I understand people have problems, but maybe sometimes the family is toxic and don't live in reality, while the "crazy" person has woken from their slumber and realize the majority are still living in Disneyland (the magical kingdom)? No excuse for any violence on either side, that's for sure. Peace and grace in the only Truth in this place, JESUS!!
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And we have President Reagan to thank for the lack of mental health hospitals/mental health housing. . .
What about the homeless acting violent and deranged.
We need to put the mentally ill back in the hospital against their will! Community care is not working! Everyone is in danger!
@Bdlsbkebs Kolko ti e "visoko" QI-to se vijda ot negramotnoto ti pisane, ha, ha, ha !!! Prav si che sajalyavash, da si prost i negramoten nikak ne e lesno !!
What it SHOULD take to be involuntarily committed:
1. Taking a shit on the street in front of total strangers.
2. Screaming at the top of your lungs for half an hour while swinging your fists at thin air all around you
3. Beating up a complete stranger.
4. Smashing someone else's property for no reason.
5. Stripping naked and walking down the MAX tracks, in broad daylight.
I've seen ALL of these (some multiple times) in Portland in the last year.
Society has a duty to people with severe mental illness to take care of them. The overlooked fact is that most of the time they cannot make informed decisions so they should not be making decisions that put them at risk or endanger others. They simply do not understand the risks or benefits of potential outcomes, and may have limited grasp of reality. They absolutely need to be placed in protective, welk run
sorry, well run facilities instead of being left to their own devices where they suffer, cause serious problems, and die. There is a time and a place for supervised and enforced placement when the person cannot function safely. So many of the homeless are in this category, and it is not a kindness to call it "freedom" and allow it to occur.
Been mentally I’ll for a very long time and suicidal longer those hospitals are not helpful the clinics don’t help wards are the worst thing ever and we are mentally ill not animals to lock up and hide from society and society needs a reality check cause there more mental then most of us and bipolar isn’t that serious just dramatic and boarderline personality disorder is just like bipolar except mood swings change hourly compared to days weeks or longer for bipolar and yeah that sucks not be up or down that long but try you dunno what mood your gonna be in could be happiest you ever have been and someone says something that effected you and having to watch as your entire mood slowly gets ruined and your sad now and you can’t get happy again and probably won’t feel joy for a while as your emotions swirl and your stuck inside your own head questioning yourself and how others might feel your just a downer during a fun time but you couldn’t help that could been anger and ya started hurting peoples feelings out of rage or any other emotion but mainly getting your day and self ruined over something that shouldn’t bother you but totally brings you down into a awkward feeling moment when you was feeling some way else
Before the Advent of psychiatric drugs the State Mental Hospitals were actually built for the protection of the mentally ill from the general public or their own families. The facilities were meant as truly charitable, humane environments for them. There was no psychiatry or psychology to dehumanize and degrade them. Originally in the USA it was the Quakers who first began taking them into their homes and received something like interfaith charity to help take care of them. Spiritual and Religious counseling was offered to them. Most were non-violent. The increase of it today is being caused by Anti-Psychotic drugs themselves in people receiving maintenance therapy from them. Like all drugs, if you are not experiencing the symptoms of the illness that the drug you are taking is supposedly treating, it can cause the same but "Super-Imposed Symptoms", in this case "Psychosis". In American history, when the Quaker program was doing well, then politics barged in with rules, regulations, etc… and it became demanded of them that they also take in alcoholics and drug addicts, who destroyed the program for the mentally ill. The Quakers were beaten and defeated, they saved themselves by abandoning the program. Today State abuse is obvious and Spiritual Centers and Religious Orders have complied with the God condemned State programs instituted starting in 1962 to withhold all compassion or acts of kindness from the mentally ill in order to harass them to accept drug treatment. Today when they become homeless, they are denied much of what other non-mentally ill receive. This is a fact cited in the Federal Government's mental health bill of rights despite how States deny it or try to make it look. It is cheaper to let them die of exposure than commit them to a hospital. These are not new tactics. Protestant Nazi nurses were among the first in Germany, even before lethal injection, to bring unwanted babies and infants outside and keep them out without warm clothing, so that they would die quickly at the hospital, and would appear to have died from an illness on their death certificate. No category of people were safe, however, as the Nolle Proverb tells us eventually people from all walks of life were affected by Nazi Eugenics.
Thank you for sharing this information. Very helpful.
The psych wards of the past ruined forced commitment for us today. It's not fair to the person suffering or those who are damaged by their behavior. My stepson is on the streets right now in lebanon tennessee. As cold as it is. He refuses treatment, shelters, any treatment. His aggressive, violent, paranoid behavior has steadily gotten worse. None of his old friends want to be around him. His family is worried he'll attack them. He broke his grandpa's nose last year. He's threatened his mother and myself. Now he thinks we went to the courts and got custody of his baby which doesn't exist. It's bullshit that he needs forced help and won't get it until he hurts or kills someone. Our system needs a drastic change!
The state mainly only commits people who do not need the help and ignores the people who do. The system doesn't make any sense
There are plenty of people begging for help that are turned away and tons of people forced into commitment that don't need it. If someone asks for help it falls on deaf ears, if someone is wealthy and has the ability to help themselves they will most definitely be forced into commitment, if someone is in extreme need of help they will not receive any. This like any other medical care boils down to money.
I didnt have a strong opinion against forced mental health until I was wrongly diagnosed and was forced to take antipsychotics for doing spiritual healings. I learned how mean and abusive people can be in psych wards. I learned that information written about patients is often inaccurate. I learned patients voices are often silenced in the psych system. This video doesnt interview the many people choosing not to get help because medications gave them uncomfortable side effects. It doesnt interview people who were mistreated in the psych system. It does at least mention someone saying she does not support forced medication for her son. It does at least mention that housings is important for health and wellbeing. Hopefully people watching this realize that it takes more than a pill to fix homelessness. Forcibly drugging people is a human rights issue and it can cause a lot of harm. Data should be taken on effectiveness of forced drugging and patients should be believed. I am curious what percent of people have the success storu portrayed in this video.
I can tell this lady has never been in mental hospital. I used to work in one. people are treated more like animals in there than they are on the streets.
I placed a former friend under a 5150 and regret nothing. I have ptsd now because he violently attacked me for nothing but delusional thoughts. I could have just thrown him in jail. I'm sorry your sick, but the safety of society is more important that your freedom. It's not fair that all of us decent, hardworking, law abiding people should live in fear because your sick.
My poor momma tops this prayers for her help 🙏
They prob have to have a bodycount higher than five before they can committed in Oregon.
Obey my authority only. Stay away form doctors
Dam people
I was put on a very short hold and it does work it makes any episodes that I have now not mean squat
Not much
😮yes if he talks to a girl they call hkm a sex offender priblfm with girls
Plea deals
No sex yet vibilly committef
That center is horrific
Not 6 months
Vivil commitment centers horrible
Plea deals no there are more
Its sad. Civil commitment saying plea deals are a guilty plea
No wtong
The guy's mother is the abuser and deserves to be sent a restraining order.
God will judge those bast ards for upholding this disgusting system.
We have a family member who really needs to be committed. Our family is very confused about what we should do.
You have the option of finding a deliverance ministry.
Do you believe in Jesus?
Do you know he healed a blind man? He died for us.
Hey goverments, stop being opposed to tiny houses. Have more houses for them that are actually easier to maintain for disabled.
Worst audio editing I’ve ever seen. Horrific.
Treatment is more like misreatment because the drugs are so brain & body damaging. They do not get well on drugs.
This is a form of abuse… Fortunately, I am okay, but I am socially liberal and I feel terrible for these people…
Dignity and the sense of ownership over one’s body run deeper than judgment or logic. They are parts of the essence of human existence.
Respecting an individual's will not to violate their self-determination is, in itself, a second, fundamental will, which is always true and of primary importance, regardless of the content or "logic" of the first will. This second will is never disturbed by low DMC because it is universal.
Moreover, involuntary commitment is the cause of many deaths among people who wanted treatment but were afraid because, like many others, they placed the ownership of their body (self-determination) above their own survival. It also leads to suicides, not due to illness, but because of the trauma of dehumanization (the violation of self-determination).
This is a form of selective denial of the right to treatment based on one’s beliefs.
There is no justification for these actions, not even for saving lives. (It’s like torturing and stealing kidneys to save others… because statistically, you are certain to sacrifice some people… by abusing them).
Those of you who have gone through this should know that you are victims of a paternalistic medieval remnant, and your freedom is inherent; it was simply not respected by these animals with degrees… This does not diminish you, but rather the lawful criminals who did this to you.
You have many citizens, philosophers, the UN, and the CRPD on your side. (Kant, Camus, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and many others would undoubtedly stand with you).
None of the animals who did this to you are capable of diminishing the value you have as human beings.
Bipolar disorder is horrible.
Don't worry the police and ambulance emergency room psychiatrist was going to hurt you they did it all for social security medicaid payments
Ha doc I don't know if I have had this conversation with you but what about those payments for the service a good deal aren't they ha if I ever need something I can depend on you right you know the money will be there we got a deal right
Ha doc I remember I could rely on you I need some Xanax and glachome marijuana you can trust me we just have to decide on the time and place the delivery will happen
I was involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness a lot of times I subliminally thought there was a your a nut and could lose it at any moment law when they were doing it for medicaid payments and health insurance payments the ambulance and the fire department is how it runs to the police and on and on is how the doctor wins an election and the government gives out social security for the doctors medicaid payments
I asked for involuntarily hospitalized for mental illness and got this these people have real mental illness I used social security I even had a off the books construction laborer job
They were coming to my house without me calling them
Why is the answer always, put them on dope so they can anesthetize the person into a zombie. I understand people have problems, but maybe sometimes the family is toxic and don't live in reality, while the "crazy" person has woken from their slumber and realize the majority are still living in Disneyland (the magical kingdom)? No excuse for any violence on either side, that's for sure. Peace and grace in the only Truth in this place, JESUS!!